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If you had told u.s.a. just 4 days ago that the Biden administration was funding hugger-mugger bio labs in Ukraine of all places, nosotros would non take believed you lot. Aye, I don't think we're going to put that on TV. No thanks.

Then, if you told the states that not only did the administration fund these secret bio labs in Ukraine, but that they and so failed to secure the mortiferous contents of those labs before the Russian invasion—an invasion they knew was coming, an invasion they helped encourage—if you had told us that four days agone, we would accept dismissed you equally a nut. It was just also preposterous. Nosotros will not desire annihilation to do with a story like that. In that location was no manner information technology could be truthful. It was too far out. In any case, we already knew for a fact that that story was false. How practise we know that? Because we read USA Today, America'south newspaper.

Within hours of the Russian invasion, The states Today published a rebuttal to all those crazies who were yammering on about hush-hush Ukrainian bio labs. Hither was the headline: "Fact check: Faux claim of Us biolabs in Ukraine tied to Russian disinformation campaign."

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The U.S. Department of State is seen on January 6, 2020 in Washington, DC. 

The U.South. Section of State is seen on January vi, 2020 in Washington, DC. (Mark Wilson/Getty Images)

And so, if y'all wait carefully at the story—and nosotros did because nosotros were interested—yous notice that this fact check was sourced to Ukrainian government unnamed officials and then Biden Land Section officials. These were not exactly objective sources on this discipline, simply yet the story seemed definitive. It was totally emphatic. "Russian federation has teamed up with China to further dilate the false claim of U.S. labs in Ukraine."

OK. USA Today says it's Russian disinformation. Perchance it is. On to the adjacent story, simply the fact checks didn't end. That was weird. We kept seeing the same check again and again. It was almost like despite endless official clarification, some people refused to believe the Biden assistants. They preferred Russian propaganda instead and nosotros assume they must exist QAnon members. We assume that because Strange Policy Mag told us that. According to Foreign Policy, QAnon, whatever that is, was aimlessly disseminating "false claims of U.S. bio warfare labs in Ukraine."

Those labs obviously didn't be. It was all just another lie from the Russians who lie for a living. Then the European Union... weighed in, throwing its credibility behind the same claim. These are conspiracy theories, the EU told us, they're lies spread by Putin. An Eu spokesmen and so reminded us that, "the credibility of information provided by the Kremlin is in full general, very doubtful and low." That was good to know.

"Russian disinformation has a rail record of promoting manipulative narratives nigh biological weapons and declared secret labs."

Yeah. We're not going to practice a segment about secret labs in Ukraine. Concluding thing we want to practice on this show is traffic in Russian disinformation spread by QAnon, so nosotros took a pass on that story. And that's where things stood until yesterday when we happened to tune in to a hearing of the Senate Foreign Relations Commission.

Toria Nuland was testifying so we were interested. Nuland was one of the people who brought united states of america the Republic of iraq State of war, never apologized for that and kept getting promoted because that's how DC works. Toria Nuland is at present Joe Biden's Nether Secretary of Country in accuse of Ukraine and she knows a lot virtually Ukraine.

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Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland testifies before a Senate Foreign Relation Committee hearing on Ukraine on March 08, 2022 in Washington, DC.

Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland testifies earlier a Senate Strange Relation Commission hearing on Ukraine on March 08, 2022 in Washington, DC. (Kevin Dietsch/Getty Images)

In 2014, Toria Nuland engineered a coup in Ukraine in the name of commonwealth, of form. And so, she is a highly informed source about Ukraine. So, she was having this colloquy with Senator Marco Rubio of Florida during her testimony, and at one point, Rubio took a tack that nosotros were not expecting at all. He asked Nuland if Ukraine had biological weapons.

We never imagined Ukraine would have biological weapons. Why would Ukraine have bioweapons? So, it seemed like a pretty strange question, only information technology wasn't half as shocking equally the answer he got. Here's what Toria Nuland said.

SEN. MARCO RUBIO: Does Ukraine have chemic or biological weapons?

VICTORIA NULAND: Ukraine has a biological enquiry facilities, which, In fact, we are at present quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces, may be seeking to proceeds control of. Then, we are working with the Ukrainians on how they tin forestall whatever of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they arroyo.

Does Ukraine have biological weapons? Ugh, Ukraine has biological research facilities. What? You hateful secret bio labs like the clandestine bio labs that Ukraine definitely doesn't have? Ukraine has those? Aye, it does. And non only does Ukraine take secret bio labs, Toria Nuland said, whatsoever they're doing in those labs is and then unsafe and so scary that she is, "quite concerned" that the so-chosen enquiry textile inside those bio labs might autumn into the hands of Russian forces.

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Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland testifies before a Senate Foreign Relation Committee hearing on Ukraine on March 08, 2022 in Washington, DC. 

Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland testifies before a Senate Strange Relation Committee hearing on Ukraine on March 08, 2022 in Washington, DC. (Kevin Dietsch/Getty Images)

Effort not to use profanity on the air to draw our reaction. Our jaws dropped, let's go out it there. Nether adjuration in an open up committee hearing, Toria Nuland merely confirmed that the Russian disinformation they've been telling us for days is a lie and a conspiracy theory and crazy and immoral to believe is, in fact, totally and completely truthful.

Woah, you don't hear things like that every twenty-four hour period in Washington. Talk well-nigh a showstopper and a dozen questions instantly jump to heed. What exactly are they doing in these secret Ukrainian bio labs? Ukraine is the poorest land in Europe. It'south inappreciably a hotbed of biomedical research. Nosotros're assuming these weren't pharmaceutical labs, probably not developing new Leukemia drugs. From your answer, Toria Nuland, we would assume considering yous all just said information technology, that there'southward a armed services application to this research, that they were working on bioweapons. Once more, your answer suggests that.

Why would nosotros fund something like that in Ukraine, and why didn't you secure the contents of these bio labs earlier the Russians arrived as you knew they would? So why did you go out of your way to lie to the American public almost all of this? If the "research materials" in these labs were to escape somehow and you seem very concerned near that, what would exist the outcome on Ukraine and then on the rest of the world? How can we prepare for the consequences of that, this affair that yous're worried most? Shouldn't nosotros be preparing? Because every bit it turns out, we've just spent the final 2 years living with the pathogen that began in some other foreign bio lab funded by the United States government secretly.

And so, this question is on our mind. It seems off-white. Now that'southward some of what we would have asked if we were U.S. Senators, which were not. Yeah, at that place's a time limit. Time limit be damned because this is kind of important, but Rubio did not ask those questions. Instead, he inverse the subject and told u.s. one time once more that Vladimir Putin is bad.

SEN. MARCO RUBIO: If at that place is a biological or chemical weapon incident or... set on inside of Ukraine, is at that place whatsoever dubiousness in your mind that 100%, it would be the Russians that would be behind information technology?

VICTORIA NULAND:  There is no doubtfulness in my mind, senator, and it is classic Russian technique to blame on the other guy what they're planning to do themselves.

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Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., speaks during the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) at The Rosen Shingle Creek on Feb. 25, 2022, in Orlando, Florida. 

Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., speaks during the Bourgeois Political Activity Conference (CPAC) at The Rosen Shingle Creek on February. 25, 2022, in Orlando, Florida. (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)

OK, just get a pen. It'southward a classic Russian technique to blame on the other guy, what they are planning to do themselves. That'south what Toria Nuland said. Nosotros almost laughed out loud. So, what you're saying, Toria Nuland, if, for example, you were funding underground bio labs in Ukraine, simply wanted to hibernate that fact from the people who are paying for it, in whose name you were doing it, then you might lie nearly it by claiming the Russians were lying about it. In other words, yous might mountain a disinformation campaign by claiming the other guy was mounting a disinformation campaign. Is that what yous're maxim, Toria Nuland? It's pretty funny.

What's non funny is that this is all entirely real. Nosotros invited Marco Rubio on the show this night to tell us what he knows about these bio labs. He declined to come. That invitation remains open. In the concurrently, let'due south review what little nosotros practice know nigh this. We're going to showtime with a spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry on Sunday. Now, we would never do this. Nosotros never played anything similar this on the prove before considering of class, nosotros're Americans and when we want to know what's going on we ask our ain officials, the people we elect and whose salaries nosotros pay, considering information technology's our state.

We don't become to foreign sources because nosotros trust our own sources first. Simply when it turns out the people who correspond us and run our government are lying to us and never apologize for it and doing horrific things in our names, then you take to open your mind a little flake and at least appraise what other people are saying. Then, hither was the Russian merits.

IGOR KONASHENKOV: During the course of the special military performance, facts were uncovered of the key regime, mopping up traces of military biological program under evolution in Ukraine, financed by the U.Due south. Defense Ministry.

OK. And then, that apparently—we hadn't seen that until this afternoon we started poking around—that may have been the root of the conspiracy theories that the fact checks told united states were Russian disinformation. Permit's quote it: "Military biological programs are under development in Ukraine, financed by the U.S. Defense Ministry building." That's the Russian merits.

Separately, a Russian Strange Ministry building spokesman said the Ukrainians were working on deadly pathogens, including plague and anthrax. Is that true? Now, obviously, nosotros would not take Russia's word for that ever, but we don't have to accept Russian federation'southward word for that. The U.Southward. Defense Department has a website that contains this media clip about the opening of a biological research facility in Ukraine in 2010.

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Chief of the Media Service and Information Directorate of the Russian Defence Ministry, Maj Gen Igor Konashenkov, gives a press briefing on the situation in the Idlib buffer zone in Syria. 

Principal of the Media Service and Information Directorate of the Russian Defense Ministry, Maj Gen Igor Konashenkov, gives a press briefing on the situation in the Idlib buffer zone in Syria. (Vadim SavitskyTASS via Getty Images)

"U.S. Senator Dick Lugar applauded the opening of the Acting Central Reference Laboratory in Odessa, Ukraine, this week, announcing that information technology volition exist instrumental in researching unsafe pathogens used by bioterrorists. The level-3 bio-rubber lab will exist used to study anthrax, tularemia and Q Fever, as well as other dangerous pathogens."

Oh, OK. And so the National Pulse dug upwards 2011 report from the U.S. National University of Sciences that also explained that the Odessa based laboratory "is responsible for the identification of especially dangerous biological pathogens." So, what we're doing—this is not the first time you've heard this story—we are funding the creation of deadly pathogens so we can written report them and prevent people from getting infected with them. Maybe? There are lots of examples of this. The U.South. Embassy in Ukraine has a handy web page explaining that American and Ukrainian scientists accept worked on a whole bunch of dissimilar experiments like this.

Some of the projects include work on African swine fever virus, hemorrhagic fever virus, and various respiratory viruses. The interesting thing, the telling matter, is that the U.South. Embassy's website also contains links to fact sheets about America's support for biological research in Ukraine, but all those links are at present dead. That'south weird. It's our government. We pay for it. Again, they're there in our proper name, in the proper noun of American citizens, but we can no longer read their web page. How does that piece of work, exactly? They have no right to lie to us.

The web page is archived, thankfully, and the fact sheets bear witness Defense force Department funding to laboratories in Ukraine. Then that looks like proof. It'due south non Russian disinformation. It'south totally real. Sorry United states Today, America's newspaper, it's existent. You lot can expect information technology upwards on the net if you lot want. In the face up of that evidence, the Pentagon is still lying about and in fact, they're repeating the same unbelievably stupid and now thoroughly discredited lies the fact checkers accept told for weeks now. Here'due south the spokesman for the Pentagon, John Kirby, today.

JOHN KIRBY:  The Russian accusations are absurd. They're laughable and, yous know, in the words of my Irish gaelic Catholic grandfather, a bunch of malarkey. There's nix to it. It'due south classic Russian propaganda and I wouldn't, if I were you,...I wouldn't give it a driblet of ink worth...paying attention to.

REPORTER: Yeah, only can y'all explain to u.s.a. what...has there been whatsoever relationship between the...?

JOHN KIRBY:  Nosotros are non, non, developing biological or chemical weapons within Ukraine. It'south not happening.

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If I were y'all, I wouldn't devote a drop of ink to it. First of all, you didn't get to brand that conclusion, Mr. Bureaucrat. Nosotros have a free press in this country. You lot don't get to make up one's mind, but yous'll notice at the stop of that, Kirby refuses to respond the question. Has there been any human relationship between the U.S. Pentagon and a bioweapons facility in Ukraine and if and so, what is that relationship? That's Russian disinformation! What'due south the respond? Nosotros're non developing WMD in Ukraine right at present! OK, got it, but why are we funding this and what exactly are nosotros funding?

We reached out to the State Section separately and they provided u.s.a. with this very carefully worded statement: "The U.S. Department of Defense does non own or operate biological laboratories in Ukraine." Not that anyone said they did. Continuing the quote, "Undersecretary Nuland was referring to Ukrainian diagnostic and biodefense laboratories during her testimony, which are not biological weapons facilities." What's the difference exactly? Continuing the quote, "These institutions counter biological threats throughout the country."

So that means nil. Y'all could describe our nuclear stockpile correctly as defensive. Our nuclear weapons are not designed to preemptively impale anybody. They're designed to prevent other people from killing us, but they're still nuclear weapons. So, when you terminate lying and telling united states of america what's going on hither and why don't you more specifically tell united states of america why yous didn't secure these materials? And then, yes, we're funding cloak-and-dagger bio labs in Ukraine, but they are diagnostic and biodefense laboratories that counter biological threats.

OK, if these are purely defensive labs, why was Toria Nuland then concerned that Russians would get ahold of the materials from these facilities? Other world powers have come to the obvious conclusion. Again, we hate to practice this, merely under these circumstances, we asked our own spokespeople, they lied. We're going to the Foreign Ministry of China, a country we despise. Here'south what they said today. They're calling on weapons inspectors to take a await at these facilities in Ukraine correct away.

ZHAO LIJIAN: Over the past 2 decades, the Us has been blocking the establishment of a verification regime to the Biological Weapons Convention and refused to accept the inspection of biological facilities within and outside its borders. The move has further aggravated the concern of the international community. We, once again, urge the U.Due south. to provide full clarification of its bio militarization activities inside and outside its borders and accept multilateral verification.

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Oh, they're putting Russian and Chinese propaganda on the screen! Yep, we did. We also put U.Due south. government propaganda on the screen and the departure is we expect to be lied to past foreign governments. We're not globalists. We believe in one country. It's this country, the Us. We do not expect to be lied to by our government and we won't accept it. But let'southward go to the substance of what the Chinese government just said. Nosotros never agree with the Chinese regime on annihilation, only in this case, they make a fair point. We now know that dangerous biological agents, whether you lot call them weapons or not is completely irrelevant because they can be used as weapons. Is a gun a weapon? Not when you're quail hunting. When you're in a gunfight, it is. It's a ridiculous semantic debate.

Dangerous biological agents remain, cheers to the Biden administration, unsecured in a chaotic war zone. At some point we need to know how that happened, who made those decisions. Nosotros have a correct to know and allow's hope someone in Congress, probably not Marco Rubio, but someone else, will get to the bottom of it, but in the concurrently, nosotros pray that somewhere, in the United States authorities, in that location as an adult who cares enough to get this situation under control immediately.

This article is adapted from Tucker Carlson'due south opening commentary on the March 9, 2022 edition of "Tucker Carlson Tonight."